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Saturday, 21 June 2008

Attendance of Council Meetings

Two issues here:

1) Lack of Attendance at Meetings

2) Attendance at the start of the meeting, but leaving before completion



I'd read and heard a lot about these issues prior to being a councillor, but I'm now experiencing them first hand.



We have to bear in mind that we are less than two months into the new council.



Issue 1: Lack of Attendance

At the moment this does not seem to a major issue, the meetings so far have been quite well attended. Apologies for absence, can be for various reasons, E.g. holiday, sickness, other commitments/meetings.

There have only been a few instances where lack of attendance has not been made without prior apologies.

I'm guilty here of not attending some of the training sessions set up for new councillors, due to problems with cover at the post office. I have though attended every formal meeting that I am expected to attend.



Issue 2: Leaving Early

This to me is a problem, and I have made may view know at the recent Partnership Scrutiny meeting, and I will repeat it in other meetings if necessary. One incident has wound me up and why I had to say something.

Again there may be valid reasons why people may have to leave a meeting early.

It can be quite difficult to keep track of who coming and going at meetings. All the meetings are open to all councillors even if you are not on the committee. So it is to be expected that these observers can come and go.

What I would expect at the very least is that if a committee member knows they have to leave the meeting at a set time, they should make this know during the Apologies part of the meeting.

Some people do this and this is to commended, this is common business practice and helps the Chair of the meeting and other participants make sure they can manage the meeting effectively. It is also common courtesy. But there are some that do not give apologies and just get up and leave.


We are just getting are act together with members of committees and election of Chairs and Vice-Chairs, so there is some movement with Groups (i.e Political Groups) sending people into meetings just to ensure the groups vote is counted for Chair and Vice-Chair positions. And hence some people have left the meeting quite quickly after this as they would not be on the committee permanently. This is common practice, but come on, I know which committees I'm on and I'm prepared to attend.

Anyway the issue that has made me rant so early on this subject is that during the Partnership Scrutiny meeting on Wednesday, one of the first tasks is to elect the Chair and Vice-Chairs.
Cllr Dr Stuart Anderson was nominated and elected as Chair.
For Vice Chair, Cllr Emlyn Thomas and Cllr William Knightly were both nominated. I had been told the previous evening that Emlyn would be nominated.
The vote was made and I voted for Emlyn as Vice-Chair. Emlyn was elected by 8 -6.
One point to note is that the aim of the meeting was to have presentations from officers on various Partnership projects. There is then to be a meeting on Monday afternoon with the Chairs and Vice-Chairs of the scrutiny committees to discuss the forward work programme for the committee, i.e. the Chair and Vice-Chair would represent our views at the next meeting.

The meeting started at 2pm and finished just before 5pm. I had expected this, and had made sure like many others, that I had cover in the Post Office to be able to attend the whole meeting.
Some people had left the meeting already, a few of which where on the committee, it transpired that some of these had a meeting with Highways that they need to attend.
Emlyn Thomas left the meeting with no explanation at just before 3:30pm. I left it about 15 minutes before enquiring through the Chair as to where he had gone, nobody knew.

I find this totally unacceptable. Emlyn was aware prior to the meeting that he would be nominated and had accepted his election. Surely it is not to much to ask that the Vice-Chair is available for the complete meeting, especially as he missed half the presentations and our views.

I haven't had a chance to speak with Emlyn as I would prefer to do this face to face, but if there was a valid reason than we should have been told at the beginning of the meeting.

Some of the other councillors backed my complaint during the meeting. I subsequently apologised to William Knightly (who attended the whole meeting) for wasting my vote.


I'm still learning, very quickly, and I will remember. Lets hope those councillors who have been elected to Chair and Vice-Chairs (and those on the Cabinet) who are additionally remunerated for these roles prove to be worthy of there election.
There are those that I'm sure will, but there are some that in my limited experience have yet to prove themselves.

The attendance and performance of other committee members are accountable to the electorate and this should be considered when planning there attendance at meetings.

End of rant (for now!!!!!!)

14 comments:

Deganwy resident said...

How come the Plaid have now taken a scrutiny vice chair.
Ithought they run the joint.
Those controlling the council should not be in a position to obstruct/control a scrutiny function.
sounds rather dodgy to me.
Something wrong here.

Oscar said...

Bloody Hell!
Well said, you have some gutts to come out and say it as it is like that!
Well done and to the point.

jkw24 said...

All scrutiny committees are made up with members from across political groups. Numbers of committeee members are made up in proportion to the number of seats each group have.
The Principal Scrutiny is Chaired by the leader of the opposition i.e. Cllr. Janet Finch Saunders.
The other scrutiny committees (Customers, Communities & Partnerships) elect there own chairs and vice chairs.
Although the scruntiny committee is to scrutinise decisions of the council & Cabinet, we are also there to feed into the cabinet. Hence a lot of projects are scrutinised before going to cabinet for rubber stamping.

Anonymous said...

Is it true that you have voted with the Plaid/ Labour pact recently?

Anonymous said...

You have voiced exactly the issue that has annoyed me for many years, since I attended an important meeting and noticed so many councillors arriving late and leaving early, (just to show their face)
It is time that they were once again made to sign in and out with the whole attendance rigister for all councillors published weekly.
The word accountability has been forgotten in the last few years, bring it back again.
It is refreshing to read of a councillor who has not yet been tainted with `arrogance` and is not afraid to speak up on such sensitive issues. I only wish there were more like you on the council. Keep it up and my very best wishes to you.

Anonymous said...

Do you remember the Lib-lab pact Conwy Council once before ?
They scrutinised their own deals and the electorate kicked them out at the next election.
How come Ronnie the hair has got a place on the cabinet with only 6 other Labourites in his camp.
Really dodgy politics this.
Be careful Jason..... you seem too genuine to be caught in the trap.
"Time to think outside the box perhaps"

jkw24 said...

"Is it true that you have voted with the Plaid/ Labour pact recently?"
No when I met with the Independent Group just after the election, I voted to join the Conservatives coalition.
There wasn't enough who voted this way and hence the "Independent Group" joined the Plaid/Independent/Labour and Lib Dem coalition.
Since then I've continually voted as I see fit. To me it doesn't matter where the original proposal is initiated.

"Do you remember the Lib-lab pact Conwy Council once before ?"
No I'm afraid my interest in local politics and the make up of how council works is very recent and I'm still learning.
I take your point, with 22 conservatives in opposition plus 13independents in council, hopefully the scrutiny function wil still work. - We can only wait and see.

"How come Ronnie the hair has got a place on the cabinet"
This comes down to the coaltion agreement where the cabinet positions are made up proportional to number of seats. So the cabinet consists of 4 Plaid Cymu, 4 Independents, 1 Lib Dem and 1 Labour Councillors.
I understand from the press that there was so issues within the Labour camp, as in the past they have said they would only take a Cabinet seat if the held the Lead of council!

Anonymous said...

Issue 1, Lack of Attendance

When I asked a councillor some time ago why she left a meeting so shortly after arriving, her reply,
`She had another meeting to go to`.
How on earth can they justify attending so many meetings if there is no time available to finish one!!!
Maybe the meetings should be better organised or those councillors without a portfolio made to take additional duties to ease the burden on those who have too much work!
I hope you will be careful, as your blog won`t make you too many supporters on the council, they will hate the truth to be known.

Anonymous said...

I see Oscar has posted and linked this posting of yours.
praise indeed from him!
I can see you have attracted the Conservatives also, hence some of the comments!
Fear not, keep at it!

Anonymous said...

At last we seem to have a Councillor with commitment who is prepared to stand up and be counted. I like your Blog but would mention that the sole legal responsibility for the content lies with the Blogger as he has total control over what is published. Be careful how you mention names or make accusations.

Anonymous said...

Well said. It is a shame that Oscar is not so cautious. It could turn round and bite him in the backside.

Oscar said...

I see you are attracting the Eagle/Ferett to your blog!
Let us hope he is more restrained with his comments here!

Anonymous said...

I think you're being a bit unkind to Eagle/ferret (only one "t" incidently), he really is a nice guy once you get to know him. He is just one of those folk who speaks his mind so at least you know where you stand with him!

jkw24 said...

Thanks for all your comments on this item.
All your comments are welcome and I appreciate your views and guidance.
All comments are welcome as long as they stay within the subject area and not abusive or contain foul language.
Many Thanks for reading - Jason